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1 To: python-list |
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2 Subject: comp.lang.python RFD again |
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3 From: Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl |
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5 I've followed the recent discussion and trimmed the blurb RFD down a bit |
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6 (and added the word "object-oriented" to the blurb). |
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8 I don't think it's too early to *try* to create the newsgroup -- |
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9 whether we will succeed may depend on how many Python supporters there |
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10 are outside the mailing list. |
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11 |
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12 I'm personally not worried about moderation, and anyway I haven't |
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13 heard from any volunteers for moderation (and I won't volunteer |
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14 myself) so I suggest that we'll continue to ask for one unmoderated |
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15 newsgroup. |
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17 My next action will be to post an updated FAQ (which will hint at the |
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18 upcoming RFD) to comp.lang.misc; then finalize the 1.0.0 release and |
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19 put it on the ftp site. I'll also try to get it into |
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20 comp.sources.unix or .misc. And all this before the end of January! |
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22 --Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl> |
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23 URL: <http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Guido.van.Rossum.html> |
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27 These are the steps required (in case you don't know about the |
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28 newsgroup creation process): |
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29 |
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30 First, we need to draw up an RFD (Request For Discussion). This is a |
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31 document that tells what the purpose of the group is, and gives a case |
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32 for its creation. We post this to relevant groups (comp.lang.misc, |
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33 the mailing list, news.groups, etc.) Discussion is held on |
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34 news.groups. |
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36 Then, after a few weeks, we run the official CFV (Call For Votes). |
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37 The votes are then collected over a period of weeks. We need 100 more |
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38 yes votes than no votes, and a 2/3 majority, to get the group. |
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39 |
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40 There are some restrictions on the vote taker: [s]he cannot actively |
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41 campaign for/against the group during the vote process. So the main |
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42 benefit to Steve instead of me running the vote is that I will be free |
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43 to campaign for its creation! |
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44 |
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45 The following is our current draft for the RFD. |
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47 ====================================================================== |
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48 |
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49 Request For Discussion: comp.lang.python |
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50 |
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51 |
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52 Purpose |
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53 ------- |
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54 |
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55 The newsgroup will be for discussion on the Python computer language. |
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56 Possible topics include requests for information, general programming, |
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57 development, and bug reports. The group will be unmoderated. |
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58 |
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59 |
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60 What is Python? |
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61 --------------- |
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62 |
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63 Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed in |
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64 Amsterdam. Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language, |
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65 with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++. |
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66 |
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67 Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamic |
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68 nature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support for |
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69 general programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon, |
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70 C, Modula,... |
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71 |
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72 Python may be FTP'd from the following sites: |
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74 ftp.cwi.nl in directory /pub/python (its "home site", also has a FAQ) |
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75 ftp.uu.net in directory /languages/python |
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76 gatekeeper.dec.com in directory /pub/plan/python/cwi |
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77 |
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78 |
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79 Rationale |
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80 --------- |
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81 |
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82 Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers. |
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83 The activity of this list is high, and to make handling the |
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84 traffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. We |
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85 also feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forum |
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86 for this volume of discussion on a particular language. |
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87 |
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88 |
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89 Charter |
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90 ------- |
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91 |
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92 Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve |
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93 as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The |
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94 group will serve both those who just program in Python and |
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95 those who work on developing the language. Topics that |
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96 may be discussed include: |
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97 |
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98 - announcements of new versions of the language and |
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99 applications written in Python. |
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100 |
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101 - discussion on the internals of the Python language. |
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102 |
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103 - general information about the language. |
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104 |
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105 - discussion on programming in Python. |
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106 |
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107 |
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108 Discussion |
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109 ---------- |
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110 |
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111 Any objections to this RFD will be considered and, if determined |
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112 to be appropriate, will be incorporated. The discussion period |
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113 will be for a period of 21 days after which the first CFV will be |
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114 issued. |